Tags: #🧩 #📜 #🗡️ References: [[Knife]] [[Knife-Disarms]] [[SSBD-Background]] Quellen: [[SSBD]] [[Kali]] --- Texte von Lehrern zur Realität von Messerangriffen und zum Sinn von Messertraining – Zitate. ## Blade Engagements for Sport (Paulo Rubio) > [INTERPRETATING BLADE ENGAGEMENTS FOR SPORT] > This is based on a limited observation of blade engagements in real life as caught on video. > 1. MACHETE > Real: It seems to me that when machetes are involved, participants tend to stay in the long range with relatively few swings actually being thrown on target. It's a long distance engagement that sometimes terminates into a clinch scenario. > Sport: Point sparring format appears to best represent what actually happens in long blade engagements. Emphasis on pre-clash moments. Rarely do we see multiple on-target strikes. Everything hinges upon that one critical blow. Not always...but most often, after this critical strike (not necessarily fatal) the fight begins to subside whether by participant injury or crowd intervention...or a combination of both. > 2. KNIFE > Real: Typically only one participant is armed with a short blade. Duels are extremely rare. In some cases, after an initial attack, the fight ends shortly thereafter. > In most cases, we see a (relatively) prolonged struggle that looks more like a grappling match. > Sport: Continuous sparring formats that begin in long range and is allowed to continue into clinch and ground fighting seems most appropriate to replicate conditions we can observe in real world knife engagements. Kicks and empty hand strikes ought to be allowed where participants agree...but may not be necessary due to the tendency to hyper-focus on the blade. > Knife duelling sport formats are fine and can serve to work on critical skill sets, but it does not often represent the majority of observable incidents caught on video. > Please let me know if these observations match yours. The purpose is to think about which bladed sparring formats best suit real life engagements. Quelle: https://www.facebook.com/PauloGNRubio/posts/10164393671160112 ## Training ist nicht wertlos (FMA-Forum) > Just recently, I saw a video about a knife defense topic and I just want to present my opinion about it. > According to the guy, based on the data he had collected stating that the survivability rate of knife attacks is between 90-95%. Mortality rate, according to his research is between 3-5%. Based on his calculation of that data, only a very small fraction of it are people who took Filipino martial arts or some sort of knife defensive tactics program survived it. The rest is regular people, he said. > Based on his analysis, training is not the determining factor of survival and according to him that it is insignificant so he considered reality based training as "bullshit" (strong word). That the "only" reason why you have to engage with training or martial arts is that you love it, and that's it. > Well, I beg to disagree!!! Why? > First, it's not true that martial arts training or any form of self defense program is insignificant and of no value to your chance of survival. Between the learned and the ignorant, obviously we would know who is in the advantage. > Secondly, people don't just study martial arts because they only love them, most people enrol to MA school because they want to learn many aspects of it including self defense. It is pure hypocrisy if one says that while taking hundreds of sessions or even doing a volume of sparrings, it never came into their mind to use it in real life or considering it as their security investment if such horrible situation comes to them. Why would you train if you don't believe that it is useful? Only that you love it? There's no sense and wisdom on that. You could have shifted to something else like gun training if you totally believe that knife training doesn't work. That's somehow could be acceptable. What's the point of still doing continious research and practice with knife defense, if you already are convinced that this is pointless? That I may say is completely illogical! > One more thing I don't like is that the guy is somehow discouraging people to undergo martial arts training because for him it's useless for self defense... and how is that? Here comes the saying again that "It's better to know something than knowing nothing at all". We try to beat ignorance hoping that we can be saved with the knowledge of it while he is promoting the opposite. Obviously, his action is something unusual and alarming! > Well, almost all of us know, that the art of fighting is primitive and ancient. It is not just today that it's happening. People of the old also trained themselves for personal protection and soldiers and warriors do it too for war. Does he think that the old and even the new generation of soldiers and people are only doing it in vain? Again, that's another non sense! > Well, I'm not really that person who would like to engage in an argument, especially political but when somebody tries to bend the truth about the art I love most only to feed his ego, even going to the point of persuading people to a wrong cause, I will never hesitate to stand out and tell what I know is right. Let me clarify that I'm not condemning any person, only erroneous principle that may poison the minds of other people most specially those whom I teach. Quelle: https://www.facebook.com/groups/fmaforum/permalink/3126541020772177/ ## The Reality of Knife Defense > [THE REALITY OF KNIFE DEFENSE] > Depending on data sources, the mortality rate for knife attacks is somewhere between 3% to 5% with a stunningly vast majority of cases involving known participants. Mostly domestic. > Again, depending on source data and the purpose of data collecting, these numbers may fluctuate depending on elements accounted for within the control group. But to make my point, I feel that the range of survivability noted above is adequate. Survival rate somewhere around 90%. > If you examine the population where you live and the overall incidences of violent crime with edged and/or impact weaponry, you can get deeper into this. But for now, I'll continue with my thought. ## Statistik und Kunst > 🥋Depending on the source, it is estimated that 1% - 5% of the population has engaged in some martial arts activity in the last year. I'm guessing that out of that...maybe 10% are Filipino Martial Arts...that's a very liberal estimate. > Here's some really dirty math: > ✅ Less than 1% of people take any form of martial arts and even less take Filipino Martial Arts > ✅ Despite this, roughly 90% - 95% survive knife attacks > ✅ Therefore, statistically speaking, you have an EQUAL rate of survival whether you train or not. Training is not even a factor worth noting. > ✅ I further propose that the false sense of confidence often provided by "knife training" can get your ass into more trouble. The kind of training concerned with mitigating the fear of the blade can be a death sentence! > Paying all sorts of money, investing disproportionate time and effort to safeguard yourself against an ultimately unlikely event seems...well, it seems rather crazy to me. We need balance. > Now...let me tell you about integrating artful practice into your "realistic" knife defense training and why it makes much more sense than going full Rambo Urban Jungle Knife Fighting bullshit. > Art...the creation of it, or the expression of it is the most practical thing you can do to serve your overall health, wellness and security matrix. It is the #1 reason to study bladed arts. It keeps your mind sharp within a positive and creative headspace. You know what? I don't need to explain this part. You get it. > Sport...the pursuit of excellence and personal growth is the second most practical reason to study bladed arts. > Once in a while, "get real with it" --- do some hard shit with some hard people and get it over with. Learn what you need, and sharpen those attributes in a way that is pleasing to the soul. > If you really don't wanna get stabbed...don't be the kind of person people wanna stab, and don't put yourself in environments where people get stabby. > ART IS THE ULTIMATE REALITY TRAINING Quelle: https://www.facebook.com/groups/fmaforum/permalink/3125105170915762/ ## Maul Mornie zur Messerabwehr > In SSBD I have been training to counter attack against knife attacks for many years. > I am not criticising the instructor nor the system in the video, I have no doubt he has a great methodology to deal with such aggression. > But, if we take only as an example of the context of the video directly, we always see when people try to sell realistic knife defence courses, the demonstrations of attacks is similar to what we see in the video, but we never see defenses that can defend against attacks. > Most videos like these will show the reciever trying to “hold off” an aggressive attack, rather than having the same aggression to counter attack the attacker. > I have had a few people ask to test my skills along the years and they looked shocked when I hit back with the same aggression. I told them in a realistic situation if you have a real knife and you have the intention to kill me I will not try to hold off the attack, I’ll try my best to survive the situation and hurt you back. > I know and expect that I will get cut and stabbed, I know and expect that I will bleed, and I know and expect that I will die but you didnt really think I’ll just stand there and make it easy for you to stab 100 holes in me did you? > They think I train to hit hard and fast just for demonstration purposes only 😀 ## «A knife isn't any faster than a fist» > "A knife isn't any faster than a fist. So why is it so much harder to defend against?" Short answer: it isn't, not much really changes in a proper defense. Yes, the potential cost for failure increases with the knife but the potential for stopping the attack does not. The difference is psychological. In many cases once the blade comes into play the student ceases to behave like a trained fighter and begins to react more like a person drowning. They might fixate on one tool (the knife), freeze or flail about wildly but in any case they cease to obey the rules of the narrow fight. The two biggest of these rules being: You do not have the measure to wait and counter at narrow play you must attack or retreat to wide play. Second, you must continue to act in proper tempo. You cannot expect to use a single time response (grabbing and holding on for example) against 13 different rapid fire attacks. You must break up the attacks by aggressive counter attack, retreat to wide play or you must react 13 times (obviously the least efficient of the choices). This is one of the big reasons I emphasize a weapon centric approach, even in bare handed training. Blade work is much like the idea of falling into deep water, drowning will always be a very real danger but learning to swim can greatly influence how you deal with falling in. That, in turn, greatly impacts your likelihood of surviving it. ## Facts > FACTS: > - Knife attacks require special skills. > - MMA style training will not help you against a blade. > - In fact, many sport fighting methods that work well in the ring or cage will get you killed when facing a blade. > Live or Die? > To see the reality click here for a Age Restricted Video > Facing a blade requires serious training: > - attributes must be developed, > - specific knife skills > - attacks and counters must be learned. > - Ability to handle random stabs or cuts has to be mastered > - truth must be given–sadly most people are taught patterns against slow and compliant partners who never simulate the actual speed, aggression, manner and resolve of true blade attacks. ## How to avoid becoming a «Knife Cult» (Bill McGrath) – Zusammenfassung Zusammenfassung des Artikels von Tuhon Bill McGrath (Pekiti-Tirsia), 24.10.2018, pekiti.com: - Messerarbeit ist von Natur aus «dunkel». Gerade junge Männer neigen dazu, aus dem Messerkurs einen Kult darüber zu machen, wie hart sie sind – und wer als Lehrer einen Kult will, hat es im Messerkurs leicht. Ein verantwortungsvoller Lehrer arbeitet aktiv dagegen. - Die Fürsorge des Lehrers umfasst nicht nur die körperliche, sondern auch die rechtliche und moralische Sicherheit der Schüler: Niemand soll mit einem «Haar-Abzug» in die Welt gehen, der bei einer Beleidigung in der Bar oder einem Blechschaden losgeht. - Hintergrund ist der menschliche Stammesinstinkt: die eigene Gruppe als «die Menschen», die anderen als «Feinde». Junge Männer wollen Teil eines erfolgreichen Teams sein und einem Anführer folgen – ein tief verwurzelter Überlebensinstinkt. - Im Unterricht spricht er zuerst über rechtliche Grundsätze zur tödlichen Gewalt: nur legale Messer tragen («das Messer soll dich aus Schwierigkeiten holen, nicht hinein»), lieber ein unauffälliges, legales Taschenmesser als ein «Kampfmesser» – vor Polizei und Gericht macht das einen grossen Unterschied, ebenso das Bild des «normalen Menschen, der sich mit einem normalen Werkzeug wehrte». - Gegen den Kult hilft Humor: über sich selbst und die Schüler lachen, damit kein Personenkult entsteht. - Der Kurs bleibt im Kurs: im Training der Titel, draussen der Name; keine «Armee», kein «Stamm», keine «Gang», sondern Freunde, die zusammen trainieren; keine Vereins-Shirts in der Öffentlichkeit. - Es gibt keine unbesiegbaren Techniken: früh die Konter und Gegenkonter zeigen, mit Begründung, Vor- und Nachteilen. - Die Kampfkunst ist der Diener der Schüler – Selbstverteidigung, Gesundheit, Schutz der Familie. Ein Kult beginnt dort, wo Schüler der Kunst dienen sollen statt umgekehrt. Quelle: https://pekiti.com/blogs/news/how-to-avoid-becoming-a-knife-cult ## Stiche und Schnitte > Generally speaking thrusts are the more lethal attacks with a knife, a cut has to target a more specific area in order to be lethal. Also if you wear thicker clothing like denims o windbreakers you are quite cutresistant. Most stick techniques translate to cuts when done with a knife, unless you keep it in point down/reverse grip, which in a knife on knife situation will give you slightly less reach, but is otherwise quite useful Quelle: https://www.facebook.com/ ## «Without the knife, there is no silat» > It has been said that "without the knife, there is no silat." What this means is that the techniques of Indonesian knife fighting are in fact the backbone of the art of pentjak silat and the secret of its deadly effectiveness. Unfortunately, the connection between the silat blade art and its empty-hand application has never been clearly explained – until now. In this groundbreaking Paladin video production, silat expert Steve Gartin reveals the secrets of Indonesian knife fighting and shows you why the blade and empty-hand forms of the art are actually one. Gartin also demonstrates for the first time the little-known techniques of kuntao knife fighting and shows you how to make the techniques of this lethal unarmed fighting art even more deadly by applying them with a knife. This video is a fascinating exploration of the roots of the Indonesian martial arts and the awesome effectiveness of the knife in personal combat. For informational purposes only. Quelle: Paladin-Video von Steve Gartin ## Building Combativeness (PCK Silat, Zusammenfassung) Auszug aus dem PCK-Silat-Trainingshandbuch, vier Sätze als Kern: Wer nicht getroffen wird, wenn er Fehler macht – wer keinen Druck spürt –, wer sich nie mit scharfen Klingen bewegt hat – wer sein Material nicht unter Druck testet –, lernt keine Realität. - Nach einer kurzen Eingewöhnung brauchen Blocks und Schläge realistisches Feedback; wer immer «gefüttert» wird, hat nur die Trainingsversion einer Fertigkeit. «What you train is what you will do.» - Technisches Training (Spiegel, Bahnen ablaufen) ist wichtig und täglich nötig – aber man muss weit über das Nötige hinaus gegen echte Schläge und Tritte trainieren, mit der richtigen Einstellung: Wer Fehler macht, wird getroffen. So lernt man, unter Druck ruhig zu bleiben und keinen Tunnelblick zu bekommen. - Unter echtem Druck lernt man, wann man eindringt und wann man nachgibt und anpasst. Mit Waffen trainiert man so ein Gefühl für einen echten Kampf – und die Fähigkeit, trotzdem die Umgebung zu scannen (improvisierte Waffen, Fluchtwege, weitere Angreifer). ## Schutzausrüstung, Stahl und FMA (Zusammenfassung) Nach einem Facebook-Text eines Kalis-Ilustrisimo-Schülers (Lehrer: Romeo Macapagal): - Vieles der Klingenkunst lässt sich mit dem Stock entwickeln, auch mit Rattan-Sparring ohne Ausrüstung. Mit Stahl ist Drucktesten aber viel riskanter – dafür braucht es Schutzausrüstung. - Wer nicht mit Klingen ähnlichen Gewichts und ähnlicher Länge aufgewachsen ist (Bolo, Itak, Sundang), kann manche alten Fertigkeiten nur mit echtem Stahl lernen. Die alten Männer nutzten Rattan als «Schutzausrüstung» und griffen nur im Ernst zu Hartholz und Stahl. - Fragen: Welche Fertigkeiten brauchen Stahl? Welche eine scharfe Klinge? Welche bestimmte Klingentypen? Manche FMA-Stile kennen keine Blocks (Decampo), andere sind für Blocks und Konter bekannt; manche Techniken funktionieren Stock gegen Stock besser, andere Klinge gegen Klinge. - Viele FMA-Systeme kennen die Klingen der Region ihres Gründers nicht mehr; ein altes Klingensystem sollte auf die Klingen seiner Region zurückübertragen werden. Manche Kalis-Ilustrisimo-Techniken lassen sich nur Stahl auf Stahl fühlen – Klang, Druck, Umlenkung. Quelle: https://www.facebook.com/PauloGNRubio/posts/10163159220430112 ## Das Messer unter Schlägen ziehen Aus einem Forum (kampfkunst-board.info): > Kann ja jeder mal im Training ausprobieren. Man steckt ein Gummimesser in den Hosenbund, T-Shirt drüber und ab an die Wand. Jetzt deckt einen der Angreifer mit Schlägen ein: Handschuhe, halbe Kraft und halbe Geschwindigkeit. Die Aufgabe ist es jetzt, das Messer zu ziehen ... wird klappen, aber bis dahin hat man so viele Schläge kassiert, dass man im Ernstfall längst in der Gosse liegen würde. Quelle: https://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/showthread.php?190672-Messer-vs-Karambit-Peitsche/page2